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Fighting in Chi Sau -Reprise

IT IS ALL IN THE ANGLE OF THE ARM.

Firstly thank you Jamie, this comment forced me to pay a bit more attention to what my Students were doing and it also made me educate myself on the workings of the Shoulder.

On with it.

I have a couple of Students that are just finishing Single Chi Sau and moving into Doubles so last night myself and my Senior Student spent a bit of time teaching them Lok Sau, we where both on the look out to see if there where any indicators for JU JITSU CHI SAU, both guys are quite ordinary People without overt Ego tendencies so I thought they would be good test Subjects.

Long Story – Short, at first everything was as good as can be expected for first Day Rolling, but as their Arms started to Fatigue and they began to close down their Angles they began to use more force, as soon as they reached 90° it began to become an Arm wrestling match.

This should not of surprised me, I had just not brought it to Students attention during Chi Sau,  I talk about it frequently when addressing contact with a Strike but had failed to bring it into Rolling.

From the position with the Arm Angle at 90° when you keep Wrist contacted with your Partner your Elbows are so far out of alignment with your Torso that you simply cannot take the Force into the Shoulder Joint and on into the Body, the upper Arm is now being pushed backwards past the Shoulder Joint instead of inwards and through the Shoulder Joint.

The Shoulder Muscle Group.
The Shoulder Muscle Group.

From this position the rotation of the Shoulder is Out – In and not Forwards, it becomes more of an Elbow Strike than Chi Sau, when the Partners Force or Resistance starts to apply pressure it is  in the direction that would result in a dislocation if it was magnified, so your Body naturally starts to engage Muscles to prevent dislocation, lifting the Arm instead of rolling the Shoulder, this action over activates the Deltoid,  in response this causes Subscapularus and Supraspinatus  to increase Effort to prevent your Humerus from popping out of the Shoulder Joint and it pretty much becomes impossible not to use Force.

With beginning Students it pays to make sure that their Elbow remains significantly beneath the level of the Shoulders { it is easier than telling them to  be level with the Shoulder line}, once the Elbow is above the Shoulder line you are once again pushing the Arm backwards past the Shoulder Joint and toward dislocation and not into the Shoulder Joint to enable absorption of Force, only once you are competent in Bill Gee can you deal with an Elbow above the Shoulder line without engaging the Shoulder Group.

Ensuring that everyone Rolls with their Arms extended fully into the Ultimate Angle  should help prevent the Physical aspect of JU JITSU CHI SAU simply because it takes away the ability to engage the Shoulder Muscle Group.

Sifu jim Fung {R} Bong Sau over 90.
Sifu jim Fung {R} Bong Sau over 90.
Sigung Chu {L} Bong Sau over 90.
Sigung Chu {L} Bong Sau over 90.

As for stopping the Ego drive the only really effective way is to simply “Beat them Senseless” as punishment and terminally damage the Ego itself.

Just kidding here.

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WHAT TYPE OF DAY IS IT FOR YOU?
WHAT TYPE OF DAY IS IT FOR YOU?
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